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Being a reserved British gentleman with the cynicism that comes from centuries of Imperialist hypocrisy, I am reluctant to indulge in tirades against any country. Even if I were to start denouncing countires, on any reasonable count there are many countries whose infamy makes America really look like the home of the brave and the land of the free. Nevertheless, if I don't indulge in some yank-bashing soon, I'm going to lose the hot chocolate I so lovingly prepared.

One of the things I enjoy about linux lists is the off-topic posts. Some people find them annoying, but most of the time I'd rather read tirades about free software and right-wing libertarianism than questions about device drivers. One thing I've noticed on recent OT posts is a current of "America, love it or leave it, Muslims are terrorists, capitalism is the only way, Europeans are sissy socialists etc." Not surprisingly, this co-incides with the anniversary of seven-eleven - sorry, nine-eleven.

Like most people around the world, I think that killing lots of people is bad. It's worse when the people you kill are largely not your enemies (in the sense of people actively trying to do you harm). Of course the people who blew up the WTC were not the kind of people you'd want to share a flat with. However, I find it ironic that a society that, despite its riches, will happily allow its own members to die on the streets can now dictate moral standards to the rest of the world. We have the spectacle of Bush claiming that, in as many words, "those who are not with us are against us", a phrase coined by V.I. Lenin (reversing a saying by one J. Christ). We have the possibility of war against Iraq, a country that most Americans could not even find on a map. By the way, in case you've forgotten, war means that people get killed, just like in nine-eleven. No smart bomb is so smart that it can distinguish between a Baathist party activist and a baby (not that many Amerikkkans know what the Baath party is anyway).

Please, Amerikkka, wake up. The world does not need you. The world does not want you.

(probably only [livejournal.com profile] entr00pi will understand this)

Date: 2002-09-17 05:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-fauxpas266.livejournal.com
On behalf of my country, I apologize.

Date: 2002-09-18 12:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] solri.livejournal.com
God, don't apologise (unless, of course, you voted for Bush, which I somehow doubt). The spelling was deliberate - I was using Amerikkka in the 60s radical sense to refer to the military-industrial complex and its redneck orcs.

Date: 2002-09-18 02:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-fauxpas266.livejournal.com
I voted for Nader. So, if I were a resident of Florida, I'd still probably be partially responsible for Bush's victory. Ugh.

Date: 2002-09-18 04:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] solri.livejournal.com
The way the votes were counted, you could probably have been responsible if you'd opted for Gore. As a bumper sitcker of the time put it, "Don't blame me, I voted for Gore ... I think."

Date: 2002-09-17 05:52 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] chr0me-kitten.livejournal.com
I'd like to add a message to Tony Blair: please stop agreeing with the president of my country. The president of my country is an idiot.

Date: 2002-09-17 05:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tsenft.livejournal.com
The kitten speaks for me.

Date: 2002-09-17 06:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oblomova.livejournal.com
It's not America -- it's Bush. I wrote my congresswoman and senators about opposing military action in Iraq. The former told me she has received only a handful of communiques in FAVOR of attacking. But Bush acts like it's a fait accompli.

And yes, Tony Blair needs a kick in the ass, too.

Date: 2002-09-18 12:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] solri.livejournal.com
Absolutely. Would you believe he actually used the phrase "blood sacrifice" recently. as I posted once, I don't think Blair's problem is so much that he's Bush's poodle, it's more that he just really loves war. Kosovo (which for all its blunders was, I think, justified) really went to his head. Interestingly, the US had to be dragged kicking and screaming into Kosovo, so I can't understand the current enthusiasm for bombing Iraq. I'm sure it has absolutely nothing to do with oil. For that matter, if the US and Britain are so keen on "regime change" now, why did they sell out the Kurds and Shiites the first time round?

Amen

Date: 2002-09-17 11:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ankh156.livejournal.com
To all of it.

And the responses.

aussie views

Date: 2002-09-18 06:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agonis.livejournal.com
Today on Radio National's "Australia talks back" the topic was Anti-Americanism in Australia. I couldn't sum it up in a comment (or an entry), but if you're interested (i quite enjoyed it although I was already aware of most of it, but still interesting to hear some other views).. and if you got your linux to play RA files:

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/austback/audio/atback_18092002.ram

Date: 2002-09-20 10:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drx.livejournal.com
*bangs hard and fast on wall with open palm*

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