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Before proceeding further, I should say for the record that I like students. I don't like all students, by any means (as will become clear soon) but on the whole, I think students are pretty decent people. This is good, because my job means I have a lot of contact with them. Some of my colleagues talk about how wonderful universities would be if there were no students, but generally they mean that universities would be wonderful places if there were no papers to grade and no morning classes; the minority who really don't want to have students around should really ask themselves why they don't like bright, and for the most part friendly and polite, young people, and what this says about them. If you hate someone because they turn up late to class or dangle participles, then you either need professional help or a new profession.

That said, some students really test my pro-student attitude to breaking point. I'm not talking about the ones whose assignments are late or plagiarised or who play with their cell phones throughout the class; I mean student columnists. Such a person, who is at this moment enjoying his fifteen minutes of fame (plus comments and trackback), is the self-described "angry libertarian", Alex Knepper. What got Knepper into trouble is an article he wrote for a student newspaper, and particularly this paragraph:

Let's get this straight: any woman who heads to an EI party as an anonymous onlooker, drinks five cups of the jungle juice, and walks back to a boy’s room with him is indicating that she wants sex, OK? To cry ‘date rape’ after you sober up the next morning and regret the incident is the equivalent of pulling a gun to someone’s head and then later claiming that you didn’t ever actually intend to pull the trigger.
The funny thing is that it comes immediately after the sentence "For my pro-sex views, I am variously called a misogynist, a rape apologist and—my personal favorite—a ‘pro-date rape protofascist’." I mean, if you come out with things like that, what do you expect to be called?

Now I'm not saying that Knepper would date-rape someone. I'm not even saying that he would defend an actual date rape. The guy is probably as nice as anyone who likes Ayn Rand and Ann Coulter can be. And I'm definitely not saying that he's a protofascist, a term which was vaguely ridiculous even back in the 1970s when it was still fashionable. (Believe me, I was there. I also remember "cryptofascist" but I could never work out the difference.) I am saying that his analogy is flawed and potentially dangerous, not to mention lacking sympathy and compassion. Let's put the two cases side by side:
 
 College Party
Firearms incident
 Girl gets drunk, goes to boy's room Girl puts gun to boy's head
Boy rapes girl Girl shoots boy

 
Am I alone in seeing almost nothing analogous in these two cases? Both involve an undesirable consequence and an action which precedes it, and that's where the similarity ends. I suppose we could take the view that since they both produce bad consequences, they are both bad acts and differ in degree but not in kind, but this would be a kind of deranged consequentialism that would make Jeremy Bentham look like John Locke (if you'll forgive the Lost allusion).

However, this is not simply a case of Knepper confusing "contributory negligence" with culpability. That has been discussed many times both in and out of court. Getting drunk and accompanying a stranger to his room is not sensible behaviour, but then how much sensible behaviour do you expect from nineteen-year-olds at a party? It does not make rape any less rape, any more than forgetting to cancel newspaper deliveries when you go on holiday makes a burglary any less of a burglary. What Knepper is claiming is that the action "indicates that she wants to have sex," and this is a completely different kettle of fish. It is also crucial to whether what occurs is classed as rape.

Knepper states later on that "‘Date rape’ is an incoherent concept. There's rape and there's not-rape, and we need a line of demarcation." There is nothing inherently incoherent about the concept of date rape; it is simply rape which occurs between the parties on a date, just like domestic violence is violence which occurs at home or vehicular theft is theft from a vehicle. What makes it controversial is not that it is different from rape per se, but that it illustrates the point that actually the boundary between rape and not-rape does not have a clear line of demarcation, a fact that Knepper should know if he's been reading proper philosophers like Wittgenstein as well as faux philosophers like Rand. Many if not most of our everyday concepts are, as Wittgenstein said, "blurred around the edges" and rape is no exception. We can define rape very clearly as sex without the consent of one of the parties involved, but we do not have a clear definition of "sex" or "consent" nor should we. As Wittgenstein again says, "sometimes a blurred picture is exactly what we need." When Clinton said "I did not have sex with that woman," we do not need a precise definition of sex to know that he was lying. Most of us would say that putting your dick in someone's mouth counts as sex, but it's conceivable that there are some cases where it might not. Let's say that Bill had been bitten by a snake, and Monica was just trying to suck out the venom. Less absurdly, there are acts which fall right on the blurred boundary of sex (fondling someone's breasts, for example). However, let's ignore this, because the interesting blurriness is in the notion of consent.

Consent to anything is a tricky issue, but let's stick to sexual consent here, otherwise I'll be blogging way past my bed time. Let us also focus on what can be interpreted as consent to sex, rather than the act of inner consent, which is unknowable. We can start with a clear-cut act of sexual consent: the girl takes off her clothes and says "Give it to me now, you horny stud!" It doesn't require a leap of faith to assume that, under normal circumstances, someone behaving in this way "is indicating that she wants sex." At the opposite extreme, take a scenario where the girl points a .44 Magnum at the boy and says "Go ahead, make my day." Now on paper and out of context, that sentence may look like an invitation, but anyone who wants to ignore speech act theory and take it as such also needs to ask himself one question: "Do I feel lucky?"

So far, so clear. What, then, of the blurry boundary, and in particular, what about Knepper's scenario where the girl drinks five cups of jungle juice and accompanies the boy to his room? We'll assume that this is a normal frat party, so the punch is probably highly alchoholic but doesn't contain drugs, and the boy's room is a normal dorm room. If no words of import are said, does this constitute an indication that she wants to have sex? Well, it certainly could. If I were the boy in that scenario, I would be feeling lucky, though not in the same way as the boy in the Dirty Harriet scenario. But this is not the real question, and this is where Knepper is guilty of equivocation. An indication that someone wants sex is not the same as consent to sex. It is not even quite the same as an indication that someone is consenting to sex. I agree with Knepper that not everything needs to be spelled out verbally, and that sometimes an action can indicate consent as strongly as words. If I'm canoodling with someone and she helps me undo her bra, that's about as clear an act of consent as you can wish for. But drinking at a party and walking into someone's room? I can't help feeling that someone who would interpret that as consent is not too concerned about consent. I'm reminded of a line from, if I remember rightly, Monty Python: "The best method of defence is attack, and the best method of attack is surprise, so you hit your opponent before he hits you, or better still, before the thought of hitting you has even occurred to him."

The solution to the problem of blurred boundaries here is not to draw a clean line of demarcation, not least because, as Knepper unintentionally demonstrates, you can draw the line in the wrong place. What is needed is to accept the blurriness and apply a little common sense, sympathy and respect. This doesn't imply, as Knepper puts it, "a bedroom scene in which two amorphous, gender-neutral blobs ask each other ‘Is this OK with you?’ before daring to move their lips any lower on the other’s body." It just means that you don't assume that gender makes the rules so different that what girls say and do can be interpreted in any way that suits you. After all, if Knepper's party experience had been of drinking jungle juice, wandering into some guy's room and getting anally penetrated as a result, I think his column might have turned out differently.

Date: 2010-04-04 01:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nancylebov.livejournal.com
I bet that columnist doesn't think living in a geographical region indicates consent to whatever the government of that region chooses to do.

Date: 2010-04-04 02:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] solri.livejournal.com
The funny thing is that he's a libertarian, so presumably he doesn't.

Date: 2010-04-04 02:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miss-next.livejournal.com
*applause*

Why aren't you writing a column somewhere? Other than here, I mean.

Date: 2010-04-04 02:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] solri.livejournal.com
Thanks! I don't of anyone who'd publish the kind of stuff I write, though. I mean, if I could stick to one subject, then maybe, but I just witter on about anything that catches my attention.

Date: 2010-04-04 02:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miss-next.livejournal.com
So do I. People seem to want to read it anyway. :-)

Date: 2010-04-04 03:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] solri.livejournal.com
Yeah, but do the kind of people who read, say salon.com or Guardian Unlimited want to read the kind of things you and I write? I think to get wide exposure you (ironically) need to narrow your focus. You can only blog about everything and anything if you're at least moderately famous (Will Wheaton) or very witty (Dave Barry); otherwise, you need a niche.

Date: 2010-04-05 08:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trochee.livejournal.com
i think this would be apt enough in salon or the Guardian. Why not give it a try?

also, your professorial preface is awesome. It might even go over well in places like the Chronicle of Higher Ed, if they could be convinced to loosen up a little.

Date: 2010-04-04 05:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yetibuddy.livejournal.com
What I can't figure out is this: In his profile picture, he has his arm around a girl. Who the hell would date him?? What drugs did he have to slip her??

Date: 2010-04-04 06:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] solri.livejournal.com
Well as we say here, "For every blind seller, there is a blind buyer."

crypto V. proto

Date: 2010-04-04 08:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hfx-ben.livejournal.com
I'd call him crypto (That's the term I used in the 70s, with intent, usually I suspect that most everybody is proto. I don't expect to get agreement on that, though. *shrug*) ... what is there that's "proto" about his language acts? Oh, sure, he's not advocating concentrations camps ... so yaa, proto in that ... but I think crypto gets closer to the nut of it. Like the person who goes on at length and with energy about how differenct cultures are perfectly welcome to pursue what they perceive as their own interests, but that we'd all benefit from giving folk their own space ... can you see it coming? "Now I'm no sort of racists bla-yada-blah."

I think it's sad that "fascist" has lost their edge. Is there no fascist sentiments? are there not individuals who operate that way? If I was Mr. Psychopath behind the curtains manipulating the downfall of civil society, I'd certainly want the term to fall out of use / become ineffective. Just like I'd want "psychopath" confounded with "sociopath", which is what's happened over the past 20 years.

cheers

I was thinking faster than I typed

Date: 2010-04-04 08:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hfx-ben.livejournal.com
"I think it's sad that "fascist" has lost their edge." should have read something like "I think it's sad that the term "fascist" has lost its edge." or "I think it's sad that cutting terms like "fascist" have lost their edge."

Re: crypto V. proto

Date: 2010-04-04 09:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] solri.livejournal.com
I assume "crypto-fascist" to mean a sort of fascist fellow-traveller. You know, the kind of person who never openly endorses fascism but after a few drinks will start going on about how Pinochet rescued the Chilean economy, and after a few more will talk about how the Jews had Germany in a stranglehold. On the other hand, it's confusing because the term "crypto" gets used to mean something like "would like to appear but isn't", as when my manager described me as a "crypto-academic". At least I suppose that's what he meant.

Anyway, I don't think that Knepper is a crypto-fascist, or even a proto-fascist; he's just a sad little Randroid.

Re: crypto V. proto

Date: 2010-04-05 06:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hfx-ben.livejournal.com
Yepp yepp, that's the stuff. One minute it's "Mussilini at least got the trains running on time." and the next its "The Africans need us to order their lives because they just can't handle governance".

My take on it is skewed by the view I've developed, that the explicit ideology is heh I'm tempted to say "epiphenomenal", that it's formulaic justification for attitudes that are more visceral, at the level of valence. So buddy boy's misogynism may not have anything programmatic or sytematic but at a foundational level to me at least it betrays the dehuminizing tendency that is so characteristic of Hitlerism, Stalinism, Pinochetism etc etc etc ... people as means to an end rather than end in themselves.

I forget, have you done cog-psych? None of it is voodoo ... stuff like in-group/out-group dynamics. I can imagine someone with a deep sense of resentment loving the fact that out-group identification provides him an endless supply of easy targets.

Re: crypto V. proto

Date: 2010-04-05 08:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] solri.livejournal.com
Yes, you said something like that in a comment a way back, and I think there's a lot in it. I once claimed that the people who cause all the problems as "beaters and cheaters". In any primate society there are accepted, pro-social ways of doing things like getting food, getting laid and so forth, and there are two common ways of getting round the rules - physical force and con-artistry. Political and religious ideologies tend to be constructed by the cheaters to suck up to the beaters. And yes, what both have in common is seeing people as means.

Re: crypto V. proto

Date: 2010-04-05 09:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hfx-ben.livejournal.com
"constructed by the cheaters to suck up to the beaters" ... nice, neat, parsimonious, and so far as I can tell substantially correct.

What got me thinking this way was how standing up to bullies seem to bring me more grief than it brought them. That was, like, grade 4; it was only far later I learned about "taboo" and conforming.

I'm sure you realize by now that I ain't no brilliant scholar, so heh I re-tread my material pretty regularly. So you might have read me citing "The nail that sticks up gets hammered" and likewise my ref/suggestion of Erich Neumann's "Depth Psychology and a New Ethic". But at the level of personal epistemology, I mean where we live ... in the moment ... these seemed (dang; brain cramp ... I've lost the term) super-structure ... not elemental enough.

Anyhow after banging a way at this stuff for so many years what I came up with was this: those who don't accept facts as foundational entrance themselves with something like impunity all based on personality politics ... the reign of sophisty is how I put it.
Now it gets dramatic right here: the sociopath, I suggest, is en-thralled by his visceral antagonims, but the psychopath? Nope. Megalomania is not definitionally required. And nor is sadism. Perhaps that's why psychopathy is so "adaptive"? Not obstructed by anything like altruism or compassion, nor deluded by any over-arching fantasy.

Here's the kicker: imagine the illicit thrill Mr. P. enjoys when he sees (clear-eyed as always) how the sycophants bend themselves out of shape to rationalize their position and justify themselves.
And that, I suggest, is the core dynamic of our social economy. Which, of course, makes me a cheery sorta guy to hand with. heh

p.s. you've read Erich Fromm? "Anatomy of Human Destructiveness" is his magnum opus, but the stuff he wrote much later, in the 60s ... hardly a hippie, but shot through with a pragmatic sort of pragmatism.

Date: 2010-04-04 08:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alsoname.livejournal.com
Brilliant.

An indication that someone wants sex is not the same as consent to sex.

I think this is a difficult point for a lot of people to grasp. It strikes people as ambiguous -- and I guess it can be ambiguous -- and you know how people do with ambiguity. I don't think it's a particularly difficult idea to grasp when it's along the lines of, "I want to have sex, but neither of us have protection," or "I want to have sex, but you're married." But some people might find reasoning with less clear-cut morality or self-preservation behind it to be frustrating, e.g., "I want to have sex, but you're not the right person/it's not the right time/I'm not ready/I promised myself I would be celibate for a year/I want to get to know you better" ...

Some people might say, "If you don't consent to sex, you didn't want it in the first place." Maybe? But if that's universally true, does that mean concepts like "self-restraint" are myths?

I do think it's a bad idea for a girl to have some drinks and then go into a room, especially a bedroom, alone with a guy -- but only because of the widespread notion among dickweeds like Knepper that such an act is indicative of consent to sex. It makes me sad that this notion is so widespread, because I would like to feel safe in trusting someone I've just met enough to be alone with them without worries of being attacked. I don't like having my guard up all the time when meeting new people and being in new spaces. And even if I think it's a bad idea for a girl to do this, having a "bad idea" doesn't mean she deserves to be raped!

I think this idea that some people have, though, that [some vague action] can rightly be construed as consent to sex, is what makes "date rape" a distinct category of rape. Date rape, in my conception of it anyway, hinges on poor communication skills on the part of at least one party. The aggressor might have poor listening skills (after already deciding that consent was given because of some vague action) and just go for it, while the person being attacked may or may not be voicing objections.

Even if the person isn't clearly voicing objections, is it rape if consent was wrongly assumed? That's where people like Knepper can feel like they seriously have been victimized by someone who merely regretted it after the fact. One party feels like, "The person's actions indicated consent, and there were no verbal objections," while the other party might feel like, "This person started attacking me, I freaked out, I didn't know what to do, I just froze."

And your last sentence, just brilliant. I'm sure that would shake up a lot of guys. They might object to the analogy because of heterosexist biases in the culture (i.e., they might think it would be wrong because it's wrong to assume someone is gay rather than straight). I wonder how they'd feel if it happened to a gay friend of theirs. Assuming they have gay friends. :P

Date: 2010-04-04 09:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] solri.livejournal.com
Good points.

Even if the person isn't clearly voicing objections, is it rape if consent was wrongly assumed?

Tricky. In British law, an act is considered rape if either the person made it clear that she did not consent or - and this is the crucial point - it is clear that the assailant was not concerned as to whether she consented. So if the man genuinely thought she consented but she didn't, then he's not guilty of rape. I assume, though, that such cases are rare, and certainly far less common than cases where the man would stop if given a very definite refusal but would continue in its absence, regardless of the situation and the mental or physical state of the woman. Those cases could well count as rape under British law (and certainly would if the woman was unconscious) but are sometimes more blurry. And then what do we say when both parties are heavily influenced by alcohol or other drugs? It looks like we need a term for a crime that stands in the same relation to rape as manslaughter does to murder.

Date: 2010-04-04 09:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alsoname.livejournal.com
It looks like we need a term for a crime that stands in the same relation to rape as manslaughter does to murder.

Huh, interesting. I hadn't thought of that before.

I really empathize with the person who never gave consent but freezes up and doesn't vocalize it either. It seems like a really frightening situation to be in, especially if the person is bigger than you or you've been socialized not to be assertive. I would never say that someone in that position hasn't "really" been raped. To me it also points to a huge, huge need on a societal level for all of us to have better communication and assertiveness skills. Because just as the person in the above-mentioned position didn't want to be raped, it's wholly possible that the person doing the raping never wanted to be a rapist! (And is it always fair to call that person a rapist?) It would behoove all of us, male or female, big or small, to be better communicators. In the absence of that, I think it's best for people to be very careful about what they do with other people, especially sexually.

Date: 2010-04-04 11:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] solri.livejournal.com
I think it's best for people to be very careful about what they
do with other people, especially sexually.


Amen to that.

What's the metric for "success"?

Date: 2010-04-05 09:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hfx-ben.livejournal.com
I think the most common is manipulation ... exploitation ... the psychopath's corner-stone: exercise of will.

I have no qualms about doing what an infantryman does, given the situation (for which I trained professionally). But subscribing to garden-variety careerist gamesmanship? I couldn't do it. I say that it's against my religion ... and it's much like that. I makes me gag. It stops my brain. It keeps me from sleeping well.

Manipulation and exploitation ... coercion ... giving up "power over other people" is the only safe-guard against "global gulag".

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