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I am currently revising my book on how to write a term paper so as to bring the chapter on citation up to date with 6th edition APA and 7th edition MLA (for the benefit of non-academics: this translates as PITA). Citation formats are to academics what the technical specifications of the Enterprise are to Trekkies, i.e., vitally important to members of your group, and totally pointless to everyone else. People actually have heated arguments about whether MLA (Modern Languages Association) is better than CMS (Chicago Manual of Style), which is silly since Chicago has loads of class and MLA is the polyester leisure suit of academic style because normal people don't give a dingo's kidney about this kind of thing. After wading through the details of APA formatting for miscellaneous non-print sources, I'm starting to move from being an academic to being a normal person: I want to cross out "For an episode of a television series, use the following format" and write "For Christ's sake, they can look it up on Wikipedia like everyone else!"

Re: Macros

Date: 2010-01-18 06:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miss-next.livejournal.com
That's a good idea, but I'm not sure it would be worth implementing in my case, because the problem's the references. Most academic journals (at least in our area) do not give a dingo's kidney what the font is or whether you use bold or italic for your headings, but they do care very much about the way you style your references, and every blessed journal is different. To take one minor feature that could potentially be very difficult to implement, some journals like you to list the first three authors and then put et al (in italics or not, and with a full stop or not, according to the editor's taste); other journals prefer six names, and occasionally you get other numbers. So, if the paper gets rejected from a three-authors-et-al journal and then submitted to a six-authors-et-al journal, you have to put back in all the authors you took out to submit it the first time round.

I really wish they would all get together among themselves and decide that, right, this will be the standard format from now on. I don't particularly care what it is, just so long as it's consistent.

Re: Macros

Date: 2010-01-18 08:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] solri.livejournal.com
That is why everyone should use open source bibliography database software like BibTeX and why all publishers should distribute BibTeX style files (to be fair, a lot of them do). Oh, and of couurse all word-processors should have decent BibTeX file import.

Re: Macros

Date: 2010-01-18 08:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miss-next.livejournal.com
That would rock. It would absolutely transform that part of my job!

Re: Macros

Date: 2010-01-18 11:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hfx-ben.livejournal.com
Oh come come, good friend ...
... and next you'll be fixing things so we don't have a repeat of Katrina everytime Mother Nature drops a pot.

But seriously folks: that sort of refinement is truly the sort of thing that only OpenSource projects can be looked to for. (Yes, ugly formulation. "If I had more time I would write more concisely.") That sort of refinement appeals to so few ... what corporation is that well motivated? GMail for example ... a rather primitive interface for an impressive back-end.
Did I hear someone mutter something about "lowest common denominator"?

BTW: if you know someone with a full copy of WP5.1 for DOS, c/w manuals ... or Borland's PAL for Paradox ... those both were /glorious/ macro writing languages.
Truly. I had set up menu-driven macros that allowed engineers to create MIL-SPEC compliant documents from scratch. Plop-plop/fizz-fizz.
As lj-user="miss_next"* points out, quite rightly, there are a number of different standards. But it's a finite number. And macros are ace at handling "case" logic.

* (snicker) I can't remember syntax for LJ User!

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