Pope on a rope
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robinturnerIt is hardly surprising that Muslims were offended by Benedict XVI's remarks about Muhammed. It is equally unsurprising that many people - including Benedict himself - were surprised at the offense taken.
The case for the defence is that the pope was simply quoting "a medieval text", the subject of which was not so much an attack on Islam in particular, but on religious war in general (and the Pope's speech was actually about neither, but about the relation of reason to religion). This was the essence of Benedict's rather feeble apology.
It looks OK at first glance. After all, I quote many texts, and I would be contradicting myself all over the place if I agreed with all of them. Unfortunately, Benedict introduces this text as a conversation between "the erudite Byzantine Emperor Manuel II Paleologus and an educated Persian on the subject of Christianity and Islam, and the truth of both." Now if in class I were to introduce a quotation as coming from "the erudite German leader Adolf Hitler on the subject of the Aryan and Semitic races and their relative merits," my students might be forgiven for expecting me to start goose-stepping around the classroom. (Not, of course, that I wish to imply any similarity between these two historical figures - anyone with a name like Paleologus cant be all that bad.) So it's not surprising that Muslims around the world see this as yet another person bad-mouthing the Prophet for no good reason.
But why should anybody be surprised at a Pope expressing hostility toward Islam? Islam may preach tolerance of and even respect toward Christianity and Judaism, but the reverse does not necessarily apply. Muslims have got to be nice to (if someone aloof from) other monotheists because it's down there in black and white in the Koran (not to mention a number of hadiths).
There is nothing so authoritative on the Catholic side. Let's not forget that they only gave up burning Protestants a few hundred years ago. (Check out Fox's Book of Martyrs for some stirring stories.) The Spanish Inquisition was not officially abolished until 1813. though to be fair, they hadn't had a proper auto da fe since 1691, and the idea that an auto da fe involved torture and burning at the stake was pure slander. (The torture came before, the burning afterwards.) As far as I know, it wasn't until the Second Vatican Coucil in 1965 that Jews, Muslims (and maybe even Protestants) were not condemned automatically to eternal damnation. The Catholic Church is obviously rather new to the whole idea of religious tolerance, so maybe its representatives should be given a little leeway when they err, and a pat on the back when they apologise.
The case for the defence is that the pope was simply quoting "a medieval text", the subject of which was not so much an attack on Islam in particular, but on religious war in general (and the Pope's speech was actually about neither, but about the relation of reason to religion). This was the essence of Benedict's rather feeble apology.
It looks OK at first glance. After all, I quote many texts, and I would be contradicting myself all over the place if I agreed with all of them. Unfortunately, Benedict introduces this text as a conversation between "the erudite Byzantine Emperor Manuel II Paleologus and an educated Persian on the subject of Christianity and Islam, and the truth of both." Now if in class I were to introduce a quotation as coming from "the erudite German leader Adolf Hitler on the subject of the Aryan and Semitic races and their relative merits," my students might be forgiven for expecting me to start goose-stepping around the classroom. (Not, of course, that I wish to imply any similarity between these two historical figures - anyone with a name like Paleologus cant be all that bad.) So it's not surprising that Muslims around the world see this as yet another person bad-mouthing the Prophet for no good reason.
But why should anybody be surprised at a Pope expressing hostility toward Islam? Islam may preach tolerance of and even respect toward Christianity and Judaism, but the reverse does not necessarily apply. Muslims have got to be nice to (if someone aloof from) other monotheists because it's down there in black and white in the Koran (not to mention a number of hadiths).
There is nothing so authoritative on the Catholic side. Let's not forget that they only gave up burning Protestants a few hundred years ago. (Check out Fox's Book of Martyrs for some stirring stories.) The Spanish Inquisition was not officially abolished until 1813. though to be fair, they hadn't had a proper auto da fe since 1691, and the idea that an auto da fe involved torture and burning at the stake was pure slander. (The torture came before, the burning afterwards.) As far as I know, it wasn't until the Second Vatican Coucil in 1965 that Jews, Muslims (and maybe even Protestants) were not condemned automatically to eternal damnation. The Catholic Church is obviously rather new to the whole idea of religious tolerance, so maybe its representatives should be given a little leeway when they err, and a pat on the back when they apologise.
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Date: 2006-09-18 05:42 pm (UTC)The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting.
Since in the course of centuries not a few quarrels and hostilities have arisen between Christians and Moslems, this sacred synod urges all to forget the past and to work sincerely for mutual understanding and to preserve as well as to promote together for the benefit of all mankind social justice and moral welfare, as well as peace and freedom.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decl_19651028_nostra-aetate_en.html
"Burn them all and let God judge his own"
Date: 2006-09-28 05:21 am (UTC)But (Hello!) I came by on another account: Charlie Rose is interviewing Adbullah Gü right now ... I won't stay long.
Wow ... I know that politicians rarely have clean hands, but what a pleasant glimpse of what I must call "old world" statesmanship! Evidently English is not his first language and yet he structures his statements to be clear. Really ... it's like watching a chessplayer, but there's nothing ominous!
Happy new year
wishing you all the best
p.s. in the late 70s I was studying for the RC priesthood ... it was a time of "liberation theology". Have you read Hans Küng?
I meant Gü bought the special character markup messed me up
Date: 2006-09-28 05:22 am (UTC)I insist
Date: 2006-09-28 05:23 am (UTC)Oh, Charlie just asked him about the Pope's visit.
Re: I insist
Date: 2006-09-28 05:23 am (UTC)there
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Date: 2006-09-18 07:15 pm (UTC)Riding your LJ...
Date: 2006-09-19 12:15 am (UTC)Thanks.
-Robin